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Will Real Conservatives Become Democrats?

The Republican Party no longer stands for smaller government.

by James Leroy Wilson
December 22, 2005

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Will Real Conservatives Become Democrats?

The myth is totally discredited, but won't go away: the Republican Party stands for smaller government, Vache Folle, leaving a comment on Freeman's blog, says it best: "It drives me nuts when GOPers claim to be for small government, and it makes me even madder for Democrats to concede this ground to the GOP."

Crazy as it may sound, but some of us actually want smaller government. But this isn't to be found in the Party of George WMD Bush. Despite five years of "governing," if Bush's rule could even be called that, non-defense spending has ballooned (pdf). The party that attracted the small-government remnant with the rhetoric of Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan has abandoned those icons. And Bush doesn't have a Democratic Congress to blame either. While many of us in 2000 did not have any illusions that Bush believed in shrinking the government, how could we expect the Republicans to be this fiscally irresponsible?

The sad part is, while this reckless spending is unforgivable, this is one of the least bad attributes of the Bush Administration. Last week it was revealed that George WMD had ordered the National Security Agency to illegally spy on Americans, and that is just his latest assault on our freedoms. WMD Boy had to be persuaded not to veto a bill that would prohibit his government from torturing people. Do civilized societies really need to debate such a thing?

Unfortunately, the President still has a following. To many, the great menace is still "liberalism," and WMD Boy is their Leader who will protect "real" Americans from socialism, permissiveness, and military weakness. Because Bush wants tax cuts, he is "clearly better" on the economy than the Democrats, no matter how much he spends. Because he opposes gay marriage, he is obviously a defender of "family values." Because he attacks countries that have never attacked us, he is showing strength whereas the Democrats are just a bunch of whining wusses. Bush must be conservative because, well, he ain't a liberal.

But "true" or "paleo" conservatives, the ones who believe in small government, balanced budgets, armed neutrality, and civil liberty, are increasingly disgusted with the President. Former Reaganites such as Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, and the late Jude Wanniski have been very pointed in their criticism of Bush, particularly on the War in Iraq.

One Congressman who does stand for what conservatives used to stand for is Ron Paul of Texas. His consistency on issues of peace, civil liberties, limited government, and fiscal responsibility has made him a hero to many people ranging from anarchists on the left to unreconstructed Southerners on the right. Paul also chairs the Congress's Liberty Caucus, which has 23 members, all Republican. So at least there are some Republicans who still stand for the old libertarian and conservative causes, right? Overall, Republicans are still better on these issues than Democrats, right?

Actually, the behavior of even the members of the Liberty Caucus do not conform to this expectation. Logan Ferree at Freedom Democrats took a look at how the Caucus votes. He matched ten votes that Paul and the Liberty Caucus signaled as key votes, to see how often Caucus members voted with Paul. The votes ranged from civil liberty protection, to withdrawing from international organizations, to protecting state sovereignty, to stopping spending increases. Ferree lists the bills and how Paul voted, and reports that sixteen of the Liberty Caucus members didn't even vote with Paul half the time, with only two agreeing with Paul just six out of the ten times, and five agreeing just five times.

But then it gets interesting. Logan continues:

When looking at all of the members of the House of Representatives, do any stand out as consistently voting with Ron Paul on these ten votes? Two Democrats voted with Ron Paul eighty percent of the time: Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Cynthia McKinney of Georgia. Thirty-three other Democrats, too long to list here, voted with Ron Paul seven times out of ten, more than any member of the Liberty Caucus. Even Bernie Sanders, professing a socialist ideology, voted with Ron Paul on seven of the ten votes.

When it comes to protecting civil liberties and even national sovereignty, Democrats are coming out ahead of Republicans.

I hate to use the cliche, but we are witnessing a paradigm shift. The libertarian-conservative coalition in the Republican Party, once represented by the likes of Robert Taft, Goldwater, and Reagan, has been pushed aside. The neoconservatives and the Religious Right, neither of whom care much about freedom or limited government, are in charge of the Party.

Where can the paleoconservatives and the libertarians go? Do the Democrats see the opportunity here? True, there isn't too much in common between libertarians and modern progressives, between America First conservatives and neo-liberal internationalists. But recently, two elder statesmen of the Democratic Party passed away, the anti-war Eugene McCarthy and the dogged fighter against government waste, William Proxmire. If the leadership of the Democratic Party will embrace their legacies, a new coalition can form. Is it possible to imagine a Democratic Party that stands for peace, civil liberties, and fiscal responsibility? That stands against the wasteful and tyrannical policies of the past five years?

Politics make strange bedfellows indeed. But compared to George WMD Bush and Dick Cheney, Bill Richardson and Russ Feingold don't look so bad.

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Brian Mack from Grand Rapids, MI writes:
December 22, 2005
Jim,

You have never been more spot on in your writing than you are in this submission. All the more reason why the traditional labeling functions of Republican=Conservative and Democrat=Liberal are so grossly inaccurate. The current administration would have the American public believe that anyone who is not in lockstep submission to their policies are flag burning, commie, pinko anarchists. They shroud themselves in their patriotic rhetoric about creating a free Iraq, and use this as justification for lying and violating the civil rights of their own citizens. Does anyone else find it ironic that the leaders of the global model for democratic freedom are violating their own constitution by spying on their own citizens without any checks or balances? The hipocrisy is absolutely outragious!



David Tabor from hobart Indiana writes:
December 22, 2005
Will Real Conservatives Become Democrats?

Real Conservatives are those who see that God's is our guide. They are ones that know we have to say no to all the things that are destorying this country. Our morals must be brought into question.

Judges have to stop ruling against the Bible and Christianity as being the cause for the destructive lifestyle the is destroying this nation. Family values are at the all-time low. Fifty percent of our nation's children are being raised by single parents. Terrorist have maore rights than the American people who want to be safe.

The DEA can tap phone, go undercover to bust drug rings. will anyone say that is wrong? No! it is not wrong. we have to do ehat ever it takes to protect our nation and it people.

Real Conservatives, will say, in the past I made mistakes. In the future I will make mistakes. However, those mistakes should not be the same mistakes over and over.

Real Conservatives know that change can be good. Nevertheless, not all changes is good,and good changes not always turns out to be the best. Change can always be good when it shows us we were doing things the right atfer all, we then turn back to the so called old way.

When those in the democratic party see these things and many other great, they will conservatives, not the entire party. The entire Republican party is not conservative. Those who make decisions based on the Word of God are CONSERVATIVES

God Bless,

David Tabor

Brian Mack from Grand Rapids, MI writes:
December 28, 2005
Mr. Tabor proves my point. I think... It was a little tough to follow.

Conservatives in his definition are those Republicans who parrot the ultra right wing, neo-con agenda. Anyone who differs from these positions is either a liberal, unchristian, unpatriotic, or all of the above.

Believe it or not, Democrats can be Christian too. In fact they can even share many conservative views with their counterparts across the aisle.

I would recommend a well written essay which can be found at http://www.drurywriting.com/keith/democ.htm that illustrates far more eloquently than I how much Christian (conservative) and Democratic ideals have in common.

David Tabor from Hobart, Indiana writes:
December 29, 2005
Mr. Mack and I are on the same page some what.

In my opinion conservatives are not only Republicans or Democrats. Real Conservatives know that change can be good. Nevertheless, not all changes are good,and good changes will always turn out to be the best. Change can always be good, when it shows us we were doing things right after all. We then turn back to doing things the so-called old way.

When those in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY see these things and many other great things, they will become conservatives, not the entire party. The entire REPUBLICAN PARTY is not conservative. Those who make decisions based on the Word of God are CONSERVATIVES.

TRUE CONSERVATIVES do not have to be Republican, Democrat or Independent. They must conserve the Truth. The truth to many people has nothing to do with the Bible. If they can not look back in history and see how the family structure and the morals of the children as a whole have been declining at such a rapid rate after taking God out of the schools. Anyone who refuses to see that we must turn back the clock, place God first in this nation, will not be a TRUE CONSERVATIVE. True Conservatives know, for there to be truth, there is only ONE TRUTH.

God Bless,

David Tabor



Michael H. Thomson from Paeonian Springs VA writes:
December 29, 2005
David Tabor mentions God several times in his response to JLW's article. The name of God has been invoked in the name of righteousness thousands, perhaps millions of times throughout the world's history. Competing monarchies in Europe believed in their Divine Right to lead their masses as they bloodily competed for territory and position.

The second largest religion in the world – Islam – with 22% of the world population believes it has the God given right to become the dominant religion in the world. Growing at an annual rate of 2.9%, which is faster than the 2.2% growth of world population it might make good on its goal. One of Islam's most notorious adherents routinely mentions God in his pronouncements. In one speech, Osama Bin Laden said,

God said, you pious people, if you meet any group, be steadfast and mention God a lot and maybe you will be victorious. Oh God, who wrote down the book and made the clouds and defeated the enemies, let us be victorious upon them and make them defeated

Now keep in mind, this group is very pious and pray on their knees about five times a day! Let's change gears and talk about Christians.

Christians are also God invoking people. Unfortunately, unless I have observed wrongly in my life, Christians are a divided people. They are split up into different denominations each claiming their reasons for being the true representatives of God. One little church close to where I lived in Merrritt Island, Florida has a pastor who tells his congregation that only they – yes only the people in this small congregation – will be the beneficiaries of Heaven. How he can keep a straight face while saying this is beyond me.

David, in your home of Hobart, Indiana – a very pious community I might add – you have an illegal immigration problem. Your school system is trying to cope with the influx of illegal alien children in your classrooms and Lake County boasts of having the state's largest population of Hispanic Hoosiers. You, David, are paying higher taxes because of the strain of these newcomers on your county and city services. Let's get back to God.

According to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, the Roman Catholic Church is the largest beneficiary in the rise of Hispanic immigrants, legal and illegal. 72% of Hispanics in this country are Catholic – and according to definition – Christian. They believe in God and are on their knees quite a bit. Their reverence for the Virgin Mary, Communion of Saints, belief in transubstantiation, and their allegiance to a foreign Pope, may someday have an effect on Hobart's politics. I wonder when they begin invoking the name of God in their arguments for bilingual education in Hobart schools if it will be the same as when you invoke the name of God in defining Conservatism. Despite efforts by Congress, your illegals aren't going home. Indiana farmers won't let them. Like it or not their values and belief in their God will someday meld into the tapestry of your local culture.

God works in wondrous ways, no matter how and in what context His Name is invoked.

Brian Mack from Grand Rapids, MI writes:
December 29, 2005
David Tabor wrote: The DEA can tap phones and go undercover to bust drug rings. Will anyone say that is wrong? No! it is not wrong. We have to do whatever it takes to protect our nation and it people.

and

TRUE CONSERVATIVES do not have to be Republican, Democrat or Independent. They must conserve the Truth.

These quotes seem contradictory to me. How is truth being defined? Shouldn't conserving the truth also extend to our nation's leaders? As a professing evangelical, not to mention the leader of the free world, shouldn't the President and his advisors be held to this same standard? Or does the War On Terror exempt them from the truth? Is simply saying that he is Christian acceptable? Doesn't that belief carry with it the need to conduct one's life in a way that reflects the teachings of Christ?

What message does it send to the fledgling democracies around the world, that our own President, who is so vocally adamant about extending democratic freedom, assumes the authority to infringe on the constitutionally granted civil rights of our own citizens? How is that any different from dictatorship?

My great concern is that in our effort to protect ourselves from future terrorist attacks, we are voluntarily relinquishing the very ideals that make our way of life the aspiration (or envy) of almost every other society in the world.

They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin



David Tabor from Hobart, Indiana writes:
December 30, 2005
Michael,

The name of God has been invoked in the name of righteousness thousands, perhaps millions of times throughout the world’s history.

When I mention God this is not the same God that Islam invokes. When I say not the same God, I am speaking of the character of the same God. The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the God I mention and invoke.

In the United States as long has the name of God is not invoked by Christians it is tolerated. That is why I say the God that Muslims like Osama Bin Laden invoke is not the same God.

A person carries the title of spouse, parent, etc... Does that mean they are being the person they should be? It is sad to say however, it is true man has always wanted to create his own criterion that one carrying the title should demonstrate.

At one time, the United States leaders knew Christianity (Christ Likeness) - a non-denominational belief was to lead this country.

John Quincy Adams - July 4, 1837

“Why is it that, next to the birth-day of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival return on this day? Is it not that, the chain of human events, the birth-day of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birth-day of the Savior? That it formes a leading event in the progress of the gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer’s mission upon earth? That is laid the Cornerstone of human Government upon the first precepts of Christianity?”

John Jay:

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.” John Jay was the First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

George Washington:

“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars.”

Has the pillars that Washington mentioned in his Farewell Address been subverted? Supporters of abortion give these facts. Each year one million American teenagers become pregnant, 78% of these pregnancies are unintended.

Of teenage women who become pregnant, 35% choose to have an abortion rather than bear a child. The numbers of children being aborted according to these figures are 350,000 each year. How many of these are from Christian family? How many of these their parents were aware of the pregnancy? How many of those aborted would have had at least one child? Could safely say that half would have had one child? That doubles the number of lives taken in one generation (700,000).

The second largest religion in the world – Islam – with 22% of the world population believes it has the God given right to become the dominant religion in the world. Growing at an annual rate of 2.9%, which is faster than the 2.2% growth of world population it might make good on its goal.

Islamic leaders and followers of those like Osama Bin Laden do not kill their own. They kill those who oppose them.

The “Truth” is above it the pillars this Nation prospered by. These pillars will hold us up until we as a Nation reject them completely. They still stand, how long who knows? Vote your consciences not your guilt of pass decisions. We have all made them, Christ forgives us when we ask for it and change our behavior.

The God this nation was founded under is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. As Michael said, “God works in wondrous ways, no matter how and in what context His Name is invoked.”

The blessings are seen as well as the repercussions of our behavior and loyalty toward Him as God.

“Your school system is trying to cope with the influx of illegal alien children in your classrooms and Lake County boasts of having the state's largest population of Hispanic Hoosiers.”

The church I attend Real Life Community Church, has at 9:30am Sunday mornings given the west wing of our educational building to a local Hispanic pastor, who has from ten up to thirty Hispanic attending. Their children have been coming for a year or so to the church. Their parents were at home because their did not speak English. Now their parents are able to attend with their child. They not only go and listen to their pastor - they are in our worship service at 11:00am. Our congregation is made up of people from different denominations, and cultures. We have a diverse congregation it is great. There many churches throughout America that are the same has the one I am privileged to attend. www.reallifecc.org

God Bless,

David Tabor

Michael H. Thomson from Paeonian Springs VA writes:
December 31, 2005
Dear David,

You really need to study your religious history a little more closely. Although I am not an adherent, Islam is the same religion of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The following comes from an Islamic website:

Muhammad is the very last Prophet of God to mankind. He is the final Messenger of God. His message was and is still to the Christians, the Jews and the rest of mankind. He was sent to those religious people to inform them about the true mission of Jesus, Moses, Jacob, Isaac, and Abraham.

Are you checking the green cards of those Hispanics attending the Real Life Community Church. If they don't have green cards or proper documentation they are illegal and you guys might be aiding and abetting illegal immigration. You need to check into it. Illegals have gotten a lot of help from well meaning church groups.

Giving support, even tacit support, to illegal immigration is very very LIBERAL.



David Tabor from Hobart, Indiana writes:
December 31, 2005
Michael,

Jesus Christ is not a Prophet. Islam says that he was only a prophet. Jesus Christ was God in the flesh. To call Jesus Christ a prophet is say that he was a insane prophet. He was the only prophet to be crucified for blaspheming. No other prophet claimed to be God.

I know three people that are of the Islam belief. We have talked for two years. I do not agree their beliefs. That does not mean we cannot talk about our faiths. They have been taught from children - Jesus was nothing other than a prophet. The true bloodline from Abraham is through Ishmael. That is why they belief the Holy Land belongs to them.

I will not say they are correct beyond a shadow of a doubt however, being that they have been in the States for only four years. They are telling what they belief. Now you can take all you hear from the internet to heart, just be careful.

No matter what anyone says, Osama Bin Laden does not invoke God in the name of Jesus Christ in any way shape or form. When I talk about Christianity that is what I mean. The only exception is the Jews. That is why we as a Nation have and should always be on Israel’s side.

Those people you tell me to check their green cards. They are mostly union labors. Do you not think they should have done that, the unions back the Democratic Party. You know why farmers have to use the people they do. These are the only people that will work that job for the most part. There have been numerous times people (Americans) without jobs would ask me, if where I worked was hiring. I would say no, however, I know where they are looking for help. Where, they would say, at County Line Farms. You think I am going to work for 8.00 per hour. Well, you are making nothing at time. This will help you until something better comes along. I am not working that! If they paid at least 15.00, I would. You want your food cost to double. They would say, you do not understand I cannot work for that.

How does that math work? Making nothing is better 8.00 per hour, forty hours a week. Living off nothing earned is better than working for 320.00 gross per week.

God Bless,

David Tabor



Michael H. Thomson from Paeonian Springs, VA writes:
December 31, 2005
Here is the test, David. If you knew that any one of those so-called union spanish speaking people who don't speak English was an illegal, would you call the Border Patrol?

Don't equivocate or quote scripture when you answer. A simple yes or no will suffice.

David Tabor from Hobart, Indiana writes:
December 31, 2005
Michael,

If knew they were not legal. The first step I would take would be find out why they were not following the rules. At that point, the decision would be made to either help them get things in order, or call the authorities.

You made the statement “if you knew that any one of those so-called union spanish-speaking people who do not speak English was an illegal, would you call the Border Patrol?” First, these “so-called” Spanish-speaking union members are union members.

You said something you in your first response this is You, David, are paying higher taxes because of the strain of these newcomers on your county and city services. Let's get back to God.

You are right it is my taxes, not yours here in Hobart, Indiana. I have to say that getting back to God has not happened. I need to say what I am not saying. Those in both party can be Christians. What I said, was TRUE CONSERVATIVES do not have to be Democrat or Republican. True Conservatives in my opinion are those of the same character of George Washington, John Quincy Adam, and John Jay along with many others good examples from the past. Read the quotes from these men in the comments above. Find in their quotes what you disagree with.

God Bless,

David Tabor



Dean Settle from Lovettsville, Va writes:
February 28, 2006
Jesus was nothing other than a prophet. The true bloodline from Abraham is through Ishmael. That is why they belief the Holy Land belongs to them

This is where it begins. The Christians believe that the bloodline flows from the mother, in which case, Rebecca passes the bloodline to Isaac. The Islamic tendency is that bloodline is soley the father's to impart. They believe that Ishmael was on the alter and that even borne by a handmaiden, he carried the bloodline of his father.

This particular text in both books is a decided beginning of difference. Both religions place a different son as the first born on that alter.

Having worked within the confines of the Saudi Embassy for 4 years, I never once dared to offer my opinion that when Mohammed went into the desert a second time 40 years after the first, and came out to declare that Allah had granted him the permission for 5 wives, and also offered that no one else was allowed to, I began to question every other aspect of Islam.

:)

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